Exploring themes underlying their participation in the Chicago chapter of Jordan Crandall Under Fire project, THIS between Renee Turner from De Geuzen and Ryan Griffis has loads of nuggets: - on the benefits of "arriving second" (at an idea/product), being at once a consumer and producer, "borrowing" languages and tools, "workers own work disguised as work for his employer", the impossibility of maintaining a "pure discourse" - one of the "affordances" of collaboration and research as practice. "This month on empyre: research as practice, approach to creative production, DIY tools, amateur vs professional forms of activist practice, notions of commitment and issues of engagement."